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We are setting up a new section » Discussion » September 25, 2018 12:33 pm

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Thomas has agreed to develop this new section about the Danish Royal Jewels.
It will take some time to get everything set up, but you might like to comment here about it.

Jewels of Diana » Head Pieces Worn By Diana » May 12, 2018 1:14 pm

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Thank you Bryce for getting this Diana section started.

Sources » Sources » December 2, 2016 10:36 am

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Thanks Laura. You and I do think alike over imbedding refs in future, for easy reading, in preference to footnotes.
We will of course have a listing here that deciphers every code.
I confess that I am trying to keep the imbedded refs as brief as possible for the sake of the reader.

First for Roberts, my "later work" was ambiguous.  Sorry.
I felt that if there were a reprint of TQD (The Queen's Diamonds) or a revised edition of it, then a later ref would be [Roberts 2018 p111].  So I have suggested a unique identifier for his next new work.  That's why I used 2, for his next book, whatever that might be.  
The original ref implies 1, also 2012.  

For Bury, I was going to treat her two-volume Jewellery as her principal work for our purposes, and the 1 is implied.  However I must check on print dates.  If another Bury work arises then it would be [Bury 2 p44].

Similarly for Munn, I was referring to the mega Munn. I don't think any reprints ever included any revision.  I could be wrong.

Edit: I have been inconsistent over Twining.  The ER is not right.  One work will be chosen as principal for our purposes, and the other would be 2.




 

** Discuss ** » Diamond ring » November 28, 2016 10:22 am

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I have a question about the engagement ring worn by The Duchess of Cornwall.
Could it be "an extraordinary diamond ring" (Menkes) from Mrs Greville?
 

** Discuss ** » Amethysts of Queen Charlotte » September 14, 2016 2:27 pm

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I have been reading various sources on Queen Mary and came across this detail about "half mourning" decreed for a  party to be held on the evening before the opening of the new Federal Parliament in Melbourne, Australia on 9 May 1911.
The ladies had been discussing just how elastic "half mourning" could be. There was a whisper that the Duchess of Cornwall (as Mary then was) would wear black brocade with amethysts "which had been the property of Queen Charlotte".
I wonder if anyone else has ever come across reference to amethysts and Queen Charlottte.
Added by edit: Mary's jewels are described in this link to the RJWMB for the evenings of Wednesday 8 and Friday 10.


 

head ornaments » TBF-QM-11 The Delhi Durbar Tiara » August 24, 2016 5:12 pm

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11. The Delhi Durbar Tiara

Nudging closer now, maybe, to the beginnings of this tiara. My current conclusions are below after three portraits A. B. and C. which are all by John Thomson (1837-1921) but dated 1910, 1911, or 1912 depending on where we find these portraits.

They show Queen Mary wearing the Durbar tiara, mounted with Cullinans III and IV, and "The Smaller Cullinan Diamond Pendant" which was one of the gifts to her from South Africe in June 1910.  Tick!

Portraits A. B. and C. are almost certainly from the one sitting because the jewels and gown are identical and only the backgrounds differ. Queen Mary wears insignia for the Garter which she got in 1910. Tick!

A. Credit: Wellcome Library, London. "Queen Mary (May of Teck) standing, wearing a tiara and holding a folded fan." Photograph by John Thomson, ca 1910. Published: Thomson, London (141 New Bond St. W.) [1910?]
I asked Wellcome about the year 1910 and was told it was "because he was at that address at that time" referring to the photographer.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/QM1012/QMAWellcome1910.png


B. Credit: Illustrated London News, 20 May 1911. At the foot it says "Photograph by Thomson." This is the full length pic of the first I posted in message #2.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/QM1012/QMILN20May1911.jpg


C. Credit: The Queen's Diamonds by Hugh Roberts, page 180, "Queen Mary photographed by Thomson in 1912…"    RCIN 2306168 (page 316).
Here is the link to to RCIN 2306168 instead of posting the portrait yet again.

More and more I feel convinced that  -
(a) we are seeing the original tiara here
(b) it was created for Cullinans III and IV and
(c) quite possibly made in 1910.

Perhaps it was made by Carringtons rather than Garrards. Only a supposition at t

The Duchess of Teck » DoT-7 The Duchess of Teck's Hoop Necklace/Tiara » August 21, 2016 12:09 am

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The Duchess of Teck in her costume for the Devonshire House Ball 1897

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/teck/boff01.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qeqmj/Teckhoopnecklace.jpg


Wearing the hoop necklace
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/teck/MaryAdelaide4.jpg

Welcome, and hints for new starters » Welcome, and purpose » August 20, 2016 11:01 pm

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Welcome to the RJL

The Royal Jewels of the United Kingdom section demonstrate how the RJL can be used to build up records of collections of jewellery, organised by original wearer and type of jewel. 
A contents list can be built to link to every item in a collection.
All can be developed in private, to go public when the developer is ready to offer it to members to join in.

I do hope you will enjoy the RJL.

bodice ornaments » QEII-100 The Perth Bridge Opening Brooch » August 20, 2016 7:29 pm

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100. The Perth Bridge Opening Brooch

I would like to support LauraM's clarification by adding the pics here and the link to the news footage which Franck uncovered. Towards the end the Queen shows great interest in the brooch as she is given it.

The brooch in its gift box

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qej3/QE100PerthBridge.png


Worn at the Windsor Horse Show 1995

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qej3/QE100taypearl.png


Link to National Library of Scotland film of the Perth Bridge Opening
 

head ornaments » TBF-QEQM-21 Queen Elizabeth's Double Meander and Aigrette Tiara » August 19, 2016 3:50 pm

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  The catalogue for the International Exhibition of Modern Jewellery 1890-1961, held in 1961 at Goldsmith's Hall, dates this tiara as last half 19th century, and confirms it was lent by Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qeqmj/doublemeander3.jpg

bodice ornaments » TBF-QM-34 The Cullinan III and IV Brooch » July 26, 2016 8:17 pm

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Extracts with pics from the Illustrated London News, 9 July 1910 can be found under the topic Cullinan Diamonds.

bodice ornaments » TBF-QM-35 The Cullinan V Brooch » July 26, 2016 8:14 pm

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Extracts with pics from the Illustrated London News, 9 July 1910 can be found under the topic Cullinan Diamonds.

bodice ornaments » TBF-QM-36 The Cullinan VI and VIII Brooch » July 26, 2016 8:12 pm

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Extracts with pics from the Illustrated London News, 9 July1910 can be found under the topic Cullinan Diamonds.

rings » TBF-QM-37 The Cullinan IX Ring » July 26, 2016 8:10 pm

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Extracts with pics from the Illustrated London News, 9 July 1910 can be found under the topic Cullinan Diamonds.

Your Topics » Cullinan Diamonds » July 26, 2016 10:36 am

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I have started this illustrated topic on the Cullinan diamonds to bring together aspects of their story as a group of diamonds. 
A pic of nine Cullinan diamonds with numbers added is at the end of this posting.

As LauraM has told us in her replies to the brooches and ring featuring Cullinan diamonds, press articles, which shed new light on the Cullinan jewellery we know today, were discovered by our member Beth, in 2016.

As presented to Queen Mary in June 1910, six Cullinan diamonds are in the same settings we are familiar with today, which we now know were made by Carringtons and were on display at their premises for a time.

Here is the top of the page of the Illustrated London News, 9 July 1910 which Beth found, showing two pendants and a ring as presented to Queen Mary. The captions tell us the diamond gifts were set in platinum in designs approved by Queen Mary.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/etcj2/CullinanbroochesILNlarge.png


Next is the large pendant which without the short links at the top is the Cullinan III and IV brooch we know today.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/etcj2/CullinanIIIandIVbrooch.png


Next is the Cullinan IX ring

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/etcj2/CullinanIXring.png


Next is the smaller pendant, parts of which today are, from the top and minus the links, the Cullinan VIII brooch, Cullinan V brooch, and Cullinan VII drop (see the Delhi Durbar necklace and Cullinan VII pendant)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/etcj2/Cullinan857pendant.png


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/etcj2/Cullnumbers.png

 

head ornaments » TBF-QM-11 The Delhi Durbar Tiara » June 7, 2016 2:45 pm

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11. The Delhi Durbar Tiara

I believe there is more for us to learn about the beginnings of this tiara. It was created as a tall circlet (unlike most tiaras) for a purpose.  Being such a size it was more likely to be for displaying the huge Cullinans III and IV (becoming her "best" tiara) than for a set of Cambridge emeralds. This is what I like to think, but cannot prove, yet.

Roberts says the Durbar tiara was made in 1911 as the centrepiece of a parure for the Delhi Durbar.[1] The first date given is in the first footnote, for the 16 June 1911 mounting of emeralds as tiara, necklace and stomacher.  I contend that the verb "mounting" most likely means the tiara (and the other pieces) existed before that date.

What might the tiara have held before then? Her Cullinan III and IV diamonds? It certainly did.  Beth in a thread in the RJWMB drew our attention to a portrait in the Illustrated London News (ILN) dated 20 May 1911.  Queen Mary is wearing the Durbar tiara set with Cullinans III and IV (below). We have not yet found a date for the sitting for that portrait but can assert it was before the first date stated by Roberts.

I have found another portrait in the ILN dated 24 June 1911 showing the tiara set with emeralds (below) but have not been able to establish a date for this portrait sitting either.

So the "Durbar" tiara, in both forms, existed well before the Durbar and before the coronation.

The pieces forming a "Delhi Durbar parure" probably needed to go back and forth to a jeweller to be rearranged, with Cullinans or emeralds, according to what Queen Mary was planning to wear from one occasion to the next. Garrard did the work on some of those occasions.[2]

Some 1911 dates:
May 20    ILN pic of portrait with Cullinans
May 26    her 44th birthday
June 16   Garrard entry for mounting emeralds
June 22   coronation
June 24   ILN pic of portrai

Lists (closed) » Parures and Combinations of the Longest Reign » September 9, 2015 10:49 pm

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Congratulations Bryce. That really is an excellent list with a very clever - and well observed - theme.  Well done.
I have enjoyed it and will come back to it often I expect. Very good for continued reference.

 

Lists (closed) » My list of diamond brooches owned and worn by Queen Elizabeth II » August 7, 2015 11:03 pm

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Thank you Franck for responding to my questions.  
6, 18, 34, & 35 have been edited.
For 44 to 69 I am sure there are members who can help with names for those brooches. I'll try to make a start.

Is this number 46? If I am correct I will start a panel 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qej2/QEnavalbadgedetail.jpg


Is this number 48?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/qej3/2swansbrooch.jpg

Lists (closed) » My list of diamond brooches owned and worn by Queen Elizabeth II » July 30, 2015 5:34 pm

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Thank you Franck for agreeing to the numbering of the items in your list. I do believe this will help with discussion here.

I separated the two bar brooches - 34 and 35.  Could we identify each as, say, the 10 diamond and 14 diamond?

Could we refine the descriptions for 6 and 7?  I assume that 6 is the gift from Southern Rhodesia and 7 was formerly known as the foot-long?


 

Lists (closed) » Queen Mary's wedding gifts » July 20, 2015 6:52 pm

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Numbers 1 to 5

I'd like to think we could create many many panels of thumbnails - in number order - to identfiy every piece in Franck's list.
This is a small start but I cannot recognise number 4, as is obvious of course. If someone could supply a pic I would revise my panel.
And if anyone can supply a clearer shot of the Iveagh I would revise it too.
Franck has set us a great challenge, so some good team work here could produce an impressive reference list.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/QMgifts/compRJL01.jpg

Lists (closed) » Queen Mary's wedding gifts » July 20, 2015 8:39 am

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Yes! Let's keep this discussion here and see how it develops.
We can make a summary later on down the track.

Lists (closed) » Queen Mary's wedding gifts » July 18, 2015 11:56 pm

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Thank you so much Franck for letting us see your list - and agreeing to numbering the items in the list.

Now, let's start the discussion here - and post some pics.  

Edit added: Franck's list is now encouragement for me to think again about overhauling my panels for Queen Mary's tiaras. Will do.

Lists (closed) » Duchess of Cornwall's multi strand pearl necklaces and chokers » June 5, 2015 4:07 pm

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A hard man to please, I think.
I have seen nicer brooches but it does the job well.

Lists (closed) » Duchess of Cornwall's multi strand pearl necklaces and chokers » June 4, 2015 7:37 pm

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Thank you Bryce for that rundown of the chokers.  Link http://royaljewelslists.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=96
I noticed one pic with sash where Camilla wears a rather chunky brooch on top of her  shoulder to anchor the sash. Her more recent flat bar brooch is much better I think.

Lists (closed) » 1953 coronation list » May 5, 2015 9:01 am

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This reply is reserved for the official answer, but do go ahead posting replies.

Lists (closed) » 1953 coronation list » May 5, 2015 8:54 am

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Here is the group photo for the 1953 coronation, with each person numbered.

You are invited to have a go at working out who they all are and to discuss their jewels and robes.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/cor53/c53crowdnum.jpg




 

Lists (closed) » 1937 coronation list » May 5, 2015 8:50 am

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This reply is reserved for the official answer, but do please start posting replies.

Lists (closed) » 1937 coronation list » May 5, 2015 8:49 am

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Here is the group photo for the 1937 coronation, divided into left and right with each person numbered.

You are invited to have a go at working out who they all are and to discuss their jewels and robes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/cor37/c37gpleftnum.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/Nellie99/cor37/c37gprightnum.jpg

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